@siina thame last part is really sad to hear.

- Espechally since apps that I use ( @thunderbird & @monocles / #monoclesMail) make it super easy…

@pygospa @mailbox_org personally I can recommend @monocles at €2 p.m. and also @Stuxhost ...

#Monocles also make sone nigmfty apps like #monoclesMail that include #PGO/MIME support for real #E2EE (with #SelfCustody of all the Keys!)…

@elettrona @Tutanota at least @monocles (and @Stuxhost) don't impose any Captchas and provide users with non-proprietary, standardized protocols like IMAP & SMTP, so all your favorite eMail clients work - not just WebMail!

https://docs.monocles.eu/services/mail.service/
https://mail.monocles.eu/

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/115893504759454185

#tech #eMail #API #IMAP #SMTP #MonoclesMail #monocles #StuxHost #Captcha #Captchas #accessibility #mail

@Mrfunkedude so basically what @thunderbird offered for over a decade now...

• I hope @monocles / #monoclesMail also blocks external content as well...

@emu Personally I am at odds with @Tutanota because I don't trust providers that don't encourage #SelfCustody of all the keys....

@monocles / #monoclesMail is just a nifty #eMail client and mail service that is subscription-financed and works fine.

• It does #PGP/MIME with self-custody so thex can't hand over keys!

@emu why?

Does @Tutanota not provide #IMAP & #SMTP?

• Cuz @monocles / #monoclesMail does...

@shellguardians just refuse to use #Gmail on the #Web and use @thunderbird instead.

• Or better yet: Migrate away to a mail provider that doesn't try to shove #AIslop down your throat!

I.e. @monocles / #monoclesMail!

@Em0nM4stodon except #Protin got caught snitching!

• Consider @monocles / #monoclesMail with @thunderbird on @tails_live @tails / #Tails over @torproject / #Tor and do #PGP/MIME for maximum #ComSec!

@Lioh +9001%

The only secure solution is to exercise #SelfCustody of all the keys!

• Which is why I hint at @monocles #monoclesMail & #monoclesChat as using #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO and clients like theirs or others like @gajim & @thunderbird makes it impossible for them to decrypt any comms.

@patrickcmiller which is yet another reason why I explicitly recommend to not trust #Browsers & #WebApps but use either proper clients (i.e. @monocles / #monoclesMail & @thunderbird ) or do the #airgapped #OfflinePGP method!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdab4T_CoN8

@Linux for @monocles it's about their mail & messaging solutions which are subscription-financed and in return just work on any devices as well as their nextcloud.

• They also offer apps for those, and the #monoclesChat & #monoclesMail #apps can be used with any #XMPP and any #eMail provider that offers #IMAP & #SMTP respectably.

• Also they allow for fully anonymous payment using #Monero and #CashByMail.

The ither two I can understand fully...

@hack13 consider @monocles / #monoclesMail?

@Chiquidrakula @COSAntiFascists @iris @Em0nM4stodon @cryptoparty@mastodon.earth @cryptoparty@chaos.social @thunderbird

#FACT: It's not real #E2EE unless you have100% #SelfCustody of all the keys!

• By contrast, @monocles are upfront and honest that if you use their #WebMailer's built-in Encryption / Decryption, your Keys *will be stored on the Servers [Something that @protonprivacy / #ProtonMail does too but tries to leave out as a little detail]...

Thus the correct way as #monoclesMail says is to use your own client and keep your keys to yourself.

• Cuz unlike #Proton, #monocles actually offer standard protocols to use with regular eMail clients

Now OFC, monocles charge €2 p.m. for their starter account but they also accept #SEPA #WireTransfer, #Monero, #CashByMail, #Stripe and #PayPal for #payments, so it's pretty flexible and affordable given they don't put #ads in your #inbox or invade user privacy!

@COSAntiFascists @iris @Em0nM4stodon I'd not trust @protonprivacy in that regard because they have access to keys and have been caught snitching on #ProtonMail users without a warrant.

• Instead the proper way to do it is to learn how to use #PGP/MIME (visit your local @cryptoparty@mastodon.earth / @cryptoparty@chaos.social / #CryptoParty) which is easy in 2025 thanks to @monocles / #monoclesMail & @thunderbird as clients.

Furthermore, #monocles - and every other decent provider - won't bamboozle you with false promises they legally can't fulfill and #DigitalSnakeoil services...

• Only #SelfCustody can guarantee real #E2EE as only if you are in control of all the keys can you be shure of the #security and #integrity of the messages...

Please amp up you #ITsec, #InfoEec, #OpSec and #ComSec because naively believing a corporation to not snitch on you disqualifies you at best if not put other peoples' lives in danger!

@wmd Instead of using #ProtonMail which is as "#Swiss Secure" as #CryptoAG aka. #MINERVA / #RUBIKON or * Swiss Banks since #FATCA*...

Personally, I can recommend @monocles / #monoclesMail...

@Equinox yes, check out @monocles / #monoclesMail.

At just €2 p.m. you get 1 GB of mail storage, IMAP & SMTP access as well as WebMail and no ads!

• They also have a very nice #App for #Android and OFC it'll just work with any mail client!

@standev @mvilain @jerry

As for bona-fide #eMail, I'd recommend people to go with like @monocles / #monoclesMail cuz for like €2 p.m. one gets neither #DataHarvesting nor #Spam and so far they never showed up with Spam on my or any other radar despite being very much #privacy-focussed in terms of account creation and payment methods:
https://monocles.eu/more/#payment-section
https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/

@ioletsgo nodds in agreement

I think the same people also get freaked out by #VSCodium allowing one to use #GitHub or any #JetBrains - #IDE existing.

• Just like #monoclesChat & #monoclesMail can be used with a @monocles / #monocles account but ain't hard-locked to it, and instead these are offered per #subscription as a convenient way to use said #Apps...

Such convenience options are good and that these provide a stable and reasonable means of #income for a #FLOSS project where people get something in return beyond just supporting #OpenSource...

• After all, #developers dedicading their time.to a project should at the very least be able to survive and make rent in exchange for their time and effort...

On top of that #UserPaid- or rather #CustomerFunded Services have the advantage that they usually don't sell any user data, and audio.com seems to do exactly that. They only request certain rights to be able to offer their services at all...

@ansuz Which makes it even more important to emphasize truly #decentralized, #OpenStandards and #SelfCustody of all the keys.

I.e. @monocles with #monoclesMail and #monoclesChat can't provide said access and capabilities nor implement them and if customers/users do follow through on self-custody of all the #Keys the only thing a warrant will get is fully end-to-end encrypted files that they can't decrypt even when held at gunpoint.

• THIS is why @torproject & #TorBrowser are still up and running: The only thing a "Decapitation Strike" would do is start more forks and rally support for the remaining devs...

IMHO the more #cyberfacism they demand the harder I'll demand and enforce my human rights and teach others to do the same!

• And that's how to sabotage said attacks: By making oneself incapable to comply by vortue of beibg truly decentralized!

@mgorny yeah, @mozilla should really, really think about their position and focus on making #Firefox a good #Browser and not push more #Enshittification.

Noone wants #AI-#Garbage, #Shitcoims or scammily advertised #VPN|s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY via @tomscott

They should just focus on making Firefox and @thunderbird / #Thunderbird & #ThunderbirdMobile good...

Because as of now I'm considering to shift from #K9Mail which they want to turn into Thunderbird Mobile to @monocles / #monoclesMail and use @torproject / #TorBrowserBundle instead without exceptions!