@peteorrall

Yes, dear God, yes. The modern #ScrollBars are another huge gripe of mine.

KDE Plasma's default scrollbars are just serviceable enough, and I've figured out how to force usable scrollbars on #Firefox and #Thunderbird (can share, if you like).

Why the fork do scrollbars on my desktop (which I use with a MOUSE) have to look just like they do in iOS (which aren't exactly USABLE to begin with)?

Who the flip is making these decisions? Can I get their name and address so I can deliver a badly needed #wedgie?!? XD

psa : under the gnome DE, the setting to make scrollbars persistent now is under settings -> accessibility -> seeing -> always show scrollbars. this is what works for me today under gnome 48.

there are tons of other things on the internet of varying ages — change gnome settings, change dbus settings, hack a variable into the environment, sacrifice a tech bro

#gnome #scrollbars

Searching the #scrollbar...

How it started.
How it's going.

#scrollbars #uxfromhell

I once found a thread where the the #scrollbars issue was mentioned.

It was a very popular thread. 'nuff said

@3rz @RadioAzureus @rl_dane

Things may have changed a bit. I ducked the string Amiga MUI, was pointed to the still functioning MUI site. Dug from there for famous MUI applications and then got to one nice one

AmIRC

https://www.amirc.org/screenshots

I've included copies of the screenshots for our convenience

As you can see the scroll bars are properly formatted in MUI

#MUI #Amiga #UI #scrollbars #programming #RetroComputing #RetroProgramming

TWEAK: Schön langsam verkümmern die Scrollbalken in den Browsern und Anwendungen von Windows zu schier unsichtbaren schmalen Strichen 🤦 – das kommt dabei raus, wenn man DesignerInnen an Userinterfaces rumpfuschen lässt
🛠️ Eine Kombination aus Firefox- und Windows-Einstellungen liefert die Lösung

Scrollbars are slowly shrinking into barely visible lines across browsers and Windows apps - a solution

#Firefox #Windows11 #Usability #UIFail #Scrollbars #Barrierefreiheit #accessibility

#Mastodon #Question :
Is there a way to stop the scroll bars (both vertical and horizontal) from vanishing when the mouse is moved away from them?! It seems idiotic that you have to close in on the bar slowly to wake it up and be able to see where the actual 'scroll cursor' is to grab it in order to make a fine adjustment. It's not like they would take up any extra space if they were visible all the time.
#ScrollBars

Is there a Campaign to Restore #Scrollbars?

I don't understand why anyone would want to hide them

🤬😡🤬😡

One of the replies also covers making the scrollbars always visible as well.
https://social.treehouse.systems/@mgorny/112751700910090648 #firefox #scrollbars #ui

“#Scrollbars tell you how long a page is by screenfuls (number of viewports), while also telling you how many screenfuls remain from your current position… Once you see the text size, the spacing, understand the header & maybe footer size, and consider how quickly you read, you will have a good sense if the page is something you can skip, skim, or tuck in to read. I bet you already do that without consciously thinking.”

Scrollbars are not visual clutter.

https://adrianroselli.com/2024/09/under-engineered-estimated-reading-time-feature.html

TIL je kunt scrollbars (schuifbalken) altijd aan hebben staan. Ik dacht dat alle software-makers gewoon irritant waren en overal de scrollbar onzichtbaar maakte. Maar je kunt het in Windows en Mac zelf instellen.

Windows:
Instellingen -> Toegankelijkheid -> Visuele effecten -> Altijd schuifbalken weergeven
Mac: zie link

Waarom mensen denken dat het handig is om scrollbars te verstoppen snap ik echt niet.

Hier vond ik deze waardevolle kennis: https://adrianroselli.com/2024/09/under-engineered-estimated-reading-time-feature.html

#scrollbars #lifeHack

- in the address bar, type about:config and press enter
- search for widget.gkt-overlay-scrollbars.enabled, and set it to false, to keep scroll bars from hiding
- set widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style to 4, to make scroll bars rectangular
- set widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override to 24, to make scroll bars wide
- set general.autoScroll to true, to enable "middle mouse button scrolling"
- install the Custom Scrollbars addon (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-scrollbars) to change to colour of scroll bars (global and site-specific)

#accessibility #scrollBars #makeScrollBarsVisibleAgain #firefox

Scrollbar discussion at OSNews
On the Scrollbars are Becoming a Problem article.

#ux #scrollbars

How can infinite amount of space be #visualized without #scrollbars?

Do you know of any examples?

I like big #ScrollBars and I cannot lie

Whoever thought it was ever a good idea to hide #scrollbars in any OS or application should be beaten with a copy of the 1987 edition of Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines. #Mozilla #Firefox, I'm looking at you. You too, #Apple.

Having difficulties using the thin #scrollbars in #Firefox 🧡 on #Windows11? 🔍

1. Type "about:config" in your address bar
2. Press "Accept the risk and continue"
3. Search for "widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style"
4. Set the value to "4"
5. Close the "about:config" tab

A value of "4" corresponds to the Windows 10 styling of scrollbars, that is, the wider variant. Happy scrolling!

PS. Scrollbars auto-hide by default. There is a Windows setting to "always display scrollbars".

@zeldman These #scrollbars even work! Pretty nice. Always amused me when they went from fixed-height thumb to height based on percent of content displayed - because with a giant document like a whole book, the thumb gets reeeeealy small, you almost can't grab it to slide it up and down! Technology never really solved every aspect of how to do that right for all content. (Then infinite-scroll ruined everything.)

Don't you LOVE how #tiny #scrollbars are becoming? I tweaked some settings on #firefox to make them look sooooo much nicer:

https://snee.la/ramblings/scrollbars/